Kingsley Ume
Kingsley Ume at 11:58am June 23
second hand ak-47 doesn’t kill, lol
Casey Sherman
Casey Sherman at 12:03pm June 23
i beg to differ
Michael Cramer
Michael Cramer at 12:07pm June 23
AK-47’s are a bit louder than cloves when comparing noise. Althought It would be diffacult to find an orrafice to be able to “fuck” it. *shrug* Potato gravy soup.
Kingsley Ume
Kingsley Ume at 12:09pm June 23
dude, ok, first hand ak-47 kills, no doubt but second hand …. come on, there is no proof of that.
Shea Michael Bramer
Shea Michael Bramer at 12:09pm June 23
I consider an AK-47 a self defense weapon….cloves are a self offense weapons : )
Kingsley Ume
Kingsley Ume at 12:18pm June 23
self defense when red dawn happens maybe, lol. if people want smoke then let them smoke. victimless crimes are just that. if i want to smoke something that harms my life then let me. if you don’t then don’t.
Elysia Pruett
Elysia Pruett at 12:20pm June 23
what?
Casey Sherman
Casey Sherman at 12:20pm June 23
well i’ll put it this way. ak’s are a direct fire weapon (1st hand shooting)… but they are so shitty after about a mag of 30rds you have no idea where the bullets are going to end up thus it becomes an indirect fire weapon (or 2nd hand shooting)… but i still agree with levi… honestly i’m more worried about cloves killing me then then an ak…
Shea Michael Bramer
Shea Michael Bramer at 12:21pm June 23
I agree, but I register all of my weapons. If I kill my child with my gun the government will find out. If I smoke in front of my kid every day, or someone’s pregnant wife, no one holds me accountable for eventually killing that child or the damage done. So my point is who has the right to say one is more evil than another?
Shea Michael Bramer
Shea Michael Bramer at 12:22pm June 23
I agree too
you can’t enforce people to stop eating fast food so it’s only fair that they can choose to smoke
Shea Michael Bramer
Shea Michael Bramer at 12:22pm June 23
it’s their right as an American
Kingsley Ume
Kingsley Ume at 12:25pm June 23
levi’s status comment box has become a forum for debate. lol, um good point on the second hand ak-47 break down.
truthfully I am more afraid of choking on a sandwich then dying from cloves or an ak-47.
Tyler Thurgood
Tyler Thurgood at 12:28pm June 23
you still smoke those things..
Stephen Peters
Stephen Peters at 12:31pm June 23
Not just cloves either… ALL flavored cigarettes with exception to menthol are now banned in the US I don’t even smoke regularly and this is bullshit
Tyler Thurgood
Tyler Thurgood at 12:33pm June 23
BANNED..thats dumb..
Casey Sherman
Casey Sherman at 12:33pm June 23
SO… good topic levi! same time tomorrow then?
Kingsley Ume
Kingsley Ume at 12:37pm June 23
i remember something like this happening in the past with alcohol and it didn’t last too long.
Benjamin Wolfgang Von Hartman
Benjamin Wolfgang Von Hartman at 12:38pm June 23
they banned cloves? ha! i hate those things. smell like ass.
Shea Michael Bramer
Shea Michael Bramer at 12:39pm June 23
I think their reasoning was to take away as much that could influence youth to smoke as possible, and they’re probably less likely to smoke crappy tasting cigaretes over flavored ones. They tried regulating it and people continued buying for underaged youth. Some people have to ruin it for everyone, lame right?
Jenny Hamilton
Jenny Hamilton at 12:51pm June 23
All flavored smokes are banned? When did this start? I didn’t even know they were thinking about doing this! I wonder what happened to all the flavored smokes sitting on the shelves…
Dane Starbird
Dane Starbird at 1:08pm June 23
This is one more example of ” where the hell are we going right now” ?
Emera Thornton
Emera Thornton at 2:15pm June 23
no cloves??? Geeks Who Drink will never smell the same again.
Noah Giese
Noah Giese at 2:16pm June 23
Hope and Change
Noah Giese
Noah Giese at 2:17pm June 23
Government now has a stake in your health so no more anything harmful!
Pamela Giese
Pamela Giese at 2:18pm June 23
you start taking away certain ciggerettes next stop is what we are allowed to eat, where we are allowed to drive and what we can or cannot do in the privacy of own homes…fuck all these bullshit laws….I can educate my self about the pros and cons….I don’t need the damn government there every time something is bad or good for me…lets give the responsibility back to the people and if they so chose to do self damaging things…well, its there body…
Pamela Giese
Pamela Giese at 2:18pm June 23
meant to say “their” not “there”
Brad McGinty
Brad McGinty at 3:02pm June 23
Are you kidding me?! As a smoker I’ve been actively supporting the passing of this law since I found out about it being reintroduced (versions were defeated three times before). If we banned smoking then we’d cut deeply into America’s death rate.This is a fact. We all know that smoking will eventually become illegal if we don’t do something to … Read Morecreate a healthier non-addictive cigarette. This allows the FDA to control all aspects of production. Also they are targeting Menthols for banning as well…. and AK’s are pretty f’ing sweet.
Michael Kyle Byers
Michael Kyle Byers at 4:59pm June 23
if you are gonna allow cigarettes, why not weed is all i’m saying. If it is a person’s choice to fuck themselves up, how come we don’t have little rooms where a person can volunteer and pay to be locked in a room with LSD, snack packs, and an xbox 360 for 48 hours… I’m just saying, why so much control uncle Sam?
Pamela Giese
Pamela Giese at 5:04pm June 23
they can argue the same about alcohol…its bad for the body…cirrhosis and alcoholism cost lives and $$ so if the government can start banning ciggs cause they are bad for your health watch out alcohol!!
Levi Starbird
Levi Starbird at 5:06pm June 23
menthols are safe for now. if they were banned, i’d be borrowing one of noah’s guns.
Michael Cramer
Michael Cramer at 5:08pm June 23
I love this forum/whats on your mind thing-a-mah-jig we got goin here. There are already “healthier” smoking alternatives on the market. And by healthier, I mean smoke that has thus far been scientifically proven to have no carcinogenic properties. Check out http://www.blucigs.com/index.php?ref=343 It’s way cool shit. I’ve personally used these before and they are almost as sweet as an AK-47. The only thing that could top this is smoking a blu while shooting my AK-47… aww sweet bliss.
Michael Cramer
Michael Cramer at 5:16pm June 23
Also, there is no patch for human stupidity. b^o^d
Noah Giese
Noah Giese at 7:19pm June 23
My gun’s are on the chopping block because of people like Levi
Noah Giese
Noah Giese at 7:19pm June 23
no offense
Brad McGinty
Brad McGinty at 7:40pm June 23
I did some research and the numbers between smoking and anything else -including drugs and alcohol- in the US are not even close (with regards to mortality rate). And to be honest it’s a financial decision that will help us keep a Social Security-like program for you guys to retire. We spend 8% of medicaid/medicare on PRIVATE-party health … Read Moreexpenditures (like my father’s terminal cancer).

@Kyle: this is the first step to legalization of drugs because it shows a govnmt willingness to accept responsibility for the accessibility and healthfulness of a dangerous substance. The money that’ll be going into research for tobacco is included in cross-drug studies so we will see a REALISTIC FDA report on marijuana.

I would suggest that everyone study up on the materials available and not make a knee jerk reaction to this law. I’ve been smoking for almost 20 years. 20 years. 20 YEARS! There is a reason that I support this. It’s the right thing, I don’t like all of it, but it’s a good law.
Levi Starbird
Levi Starbird at 1:18pm June 24
brad;
http://quantumconservative.com/2009/06/23/black-cloves-and-black-holes/#more-1366

this is my stance.
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and noah, i’m still fine with taking your handguns and ak’s. sorry.
Brad McGinty
Brad McGinty at 1:52am June 25
That is a well formed stance. However: It has long been recognized that personal freedoms are only protected if they don’t negatively affect someone elses way of life. I’m NOT talking about secondhand smoke here so release the rage you feel and read on. We are imbalanced with regards to the revenue we receive from tobacco taxes and the amount of… Read More … Read Moremoney we spend on health care expenses that are associated with tobacco usage. As long as this is the case the federal government (which didn’t get a settlement from the tobacco companies) is well within it’s rights to tax the hell out of cigarettes. It’s also an organized move to make producers be responsible for their product (that kills). Every tax payer should not be forced to carry the burden of those of those of us who are, most likely, killing ourselves. This bill creates greater responsibility (and benefit) for taxation from the state to the federal government to help balance our see-saw of spending on related issues.
Brad McGinty
Brad McGinty at 1:59am June 25
Furthermore, see: asbestos shingles, mill tailings, river/ocean dumping and contamination, mandatory car insurance, driver’s licenses, most of the (ridiculous) Patriot Acts, and especially significant to me, the whole F’ING FCC! These are examples of government agencies/laws that prevent us from potentially damaging the rest of society. Shouldn’t … Read Morewe pass laws that prevent companies and individuals from damaging this country’s health physically and financially? Or better yet what about the kids toys with lead paint from china? Only a few kids got really sick, but they loved playing with the damned things… so that’s cool, I guess. I mean lead paint used to be very common on kids toys (and other household goods) for a few decades so we should just get used to it and ignore the medical science.
Levi Starbird
Levi Starbird at 12:38pm June 25
what you’re actually arguing is an approach for single payer health care. in the current model, i don’t pay for anything but medicare, medicade and socail security, and those are taken out of my paycheck before i even see it. i’m not losing more then fractions of a penny when it comes down to it, so i’m not liable for the blame. if i was … Read Moreresponsible for the health care of the nation as a tax payer, i’d be ok with this, but i’m not. remember mike huckabees plan for health care? legally required annual physicals, and if you don’t fit the body mass index by within five percent you get a tax hike? that is slavery.

I can write another technical economics lesson that will lend support to this piece, if you so desire.